Joe this is a solaris install done by Joynet who say that webmin/virtualmin are fully supported but by all accounts the docs I read and the comments from you in the past solaris isn't supported.

Solaris is definitely supported, and Joyent have been using Virtualmin since the very earliest days. They know what they're doing.

In fact this Joynet has completely screwed up the linux/unix hierarchy. Wget doesn't even work correctly -- You cant get VM Pro installed because this install has the wrong env path's set.

They have a custom Webmin/Virtualmin install. We thought the Upgrade to Professional button worked well on Joyent systems, but it doesn't seem to. We work with them regularly, however, and the problem will be fixed (whether its on our end or theirs...probably ours).

They claim that Joyent is your largest deployment. I can not believe this after looking at this server install.

They are. They've been a great friend to Virtualmin over the years, and they know their business. It doesn't look like a usual Virtualmin deployment--but it's still a good deployment. (In fact, they came up with a lot of the techniques we use for PHP and Ruby on Rails. We modified them a bit to make them more sane on Linux, but they definitely provided a lot of guidance.)

Well this upgrade from GPL to Pro is completely broke -- right now only webmin is installed and trying to get the Pro to install again has not worked.

Well this upgrade from GPL to Pro is completely broke -- right now only webmin is installed and trying to get the Pro to install again has not worked.

That would be our fault, not Joyent's. The Upgrade to Professional feature is our code, and should work without pain...if it doesn't, we've failed. ;-)

Billy, if you'd like to contact me via email with the details of this system, I'll drop in and fix it, and get Jamie on the task of making sure future upgraders are not hit with this bug.

I can't get over there env stuff either -- it follows no lunix/unix setup -- instead of using /usr/local/bin they use /opt/csw/bin/ which I completely fail to understand why any unix OS would do such a silly thing.

Oh, yeah, my email is joe@virtualmin.com.

I can't get over there env stuff either -- it follows no lunix/unix setup -- instead of using /usr/local/bin they use /opt/csw/bin/ which I completely fail to understand why any unix OS would do such a silly thing.

This is a standard location on Solaris. Weird, I know, but non-system stuff goes in /opt on Solaris. Interestingly, if you read the Red Hat packaging guidelines, they also require third party software to install into /opt. So, some big name third party apps for RHEL install into /opt. We've opted not to go that route (pun not intended), since experienced Linux admins, like you, would be utterly confused by packages installing into /opt. ;-)

RH sings to a entirely different tune then the average linux OS.

Just look how many times they have broken libraries without telling of the changes.

And solaris? WOW what a messed up OS -- it will be one I never use for any reason.

And solaris? WOW what a messed up OS -- it will be one I never use for any reason.

Don't teach your granny how to suck eggs. Sun was doing UNIX before most of us were born, and certainly before I ever used a shell. I was using a Commodore 64 when those guys were building the original Sun workstations and popularizing UNIX. ;-)

I actually agree, and think Solaris needs a MAJOR overhaul in several areas--the standard system tools feel ancient, their package management is a joke, they don't support group quotas, and the have some odd limits in uncomfortable places. But, they get some things right. Solaris Zones are, by far, the best option for virtualized hosting right now. From a stability and performance standpoint, they rock the socks off anything for Linux. Xen is stable enough but a resource hog in contrast. vservers/OpenVZ is roughly as efficient but has some weird stability issues if not configured very carefully. And, of course, Joyent are selling virtualized system hosting...so Solaris is a smart choice. It takes getting used to, and I certainly prefer working in Linux, but it's a really solid OS. Reliability of Solaris is definitely among the best in the world.

Different strokes for different folks, and all. (Jamie's also a big fan of Solaris, and the first version of Webmin worked only on Solaris. Sun's been a supporter of Webmin over the years, too. We like Sun, even if they are imperfect. We've all got room for improvement, I reckon.)

Point taken. But seriously linux/unix admin follow basic hierarchy. /usr/bin /bin /usr/local -- heck even BSD uses that now. So why can't solaris ?

Guess I need to brush up on my solaris -- first on list is asprin and beer the solaris LOL